Question:
Problems installing windows xp updates?
Driac
2007-10-19 03:21:23 UTC
I recently re-installed xp. (not fully.It didn't remove my files.) I've now got a backlog of 80,apparently crucial updates,which wont install. Ive tried doing it one at a time and it doesn't work .I've looked up everything and got nowhere.
Help and thanks.
Eight answers:
treving 42
2007-10-19 06:48:49 UTC
Yes I had this problem and it's frustrating to say the least.

As you have done a 'repair' from your windows disc it may well be that it has rolled back your windows installer from 3.01 to 3.00 if this is the case Windows will not let you install any updates as it fails on the first update which is 'Windows Installer 3.01.



What this means is that you need the the new installer to get past the new update procedure - leaving you in a chicken/egg situation.

This took me 3 sleepless nights to workaround (recently).

First off - enter cmd in run box, when command window opens type msiexec.exe press enter.



When box shows check out the version number (at top) - should be 3.01 etc. if it's 3.0.0 etc then installer roll back has taken place and update attempts will be fruitless.

So now to fix the installer - go to this link(below) and download Dial-a-fix (free) to a folder on your desktop



http://wiki.djlizard.net/Dial-a-fix



When you run it just select 'Fix Installer' and let it do the rest

If this works for you as it did for me you can prevent any further Windows Installer rollbacks by downloading a 'non rollback' registry entry from

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm

It's number 48 on the list..



good luck - will get back to you
2014-09-02 09:48:12 UTC
Don't listen to these guys, they clearly have no clue on what they're talking about. I am a developer at Microsoft so I know a thing or two about computers. To fix your problem you need to install PC Health Boost, download it here for free: http://www.healthboostpc.com



It's very light and it's the only antivirus/cleaner with a 99.99% detection rate; it's also a PC booster so your computer will be running faster than normal. Install it, hit run and problem solved. It shouldn't take you more than 5 minutes.
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2016-10-04 07:45:35 UTC
I had the right comparable difficulty, i ought to dowload however the does no longer deploy. I had 2 possibilities , shop them to disk and deploy manually, then you definately undecided what ur setting up, it can not be meant on your pc, very time eating besides. suitable decision is to get onto microsoft tech help and that they're going to type it for you on the telephone. that's a glitch on the homestead windows installer application, they digital mail you a sparkling on in a batch report, shop it toyour pc and caught in an hour.
Mantrid
2007-10-19 03:43:51 UTC
Has your hard drive run out of space?



Are you using a pirate Windows XP key?



Those are two common reasons why updates would fail.



What are the error messages?



Whatever you do, don't use Internet Explorer until those updates are installed! Use Firefox instead.
2007-10-19 03:46:25 UTC
If you re-installed it from a disc you might have installed it as SP1. MS doesnt support SP1 anymore. Go MS site and install SP2 then try the updates, even if you have SP2 it will get re-installed.
saksham
2007-10-19 03:44:37 UTC
your windows will not be genuine they will have problem installing updates
2007-10-19 03:44:03 UTC
Delete them and turn off updates.

Like they say (if it ain't broke don't try and fix it)
2007-10-19 04:00:12 UTC
M'soft have been installing "updates" without telling anybody WHAT they are, and they include some crafty little items which stop any further updating taking place if you haven't already had these 'secret' ones, so if you're re-installing from a disc, you won't have these secret little files so you won't be allowed to update. Shout and scream at Microsoft - it's all THEIR doing ! ! !

The following I have copied for anybody to read - I am sure the writer will be glad to get the info spread ! ! !



Microsoft updates Windows without users' consent



By Scott Dunn



Microsoft has begun patching files on Windows XP and Vista without users' knowledge, even when the users have turned off auto-updates.



Many companies require testing of patches before they are widely installed, and businesses in this situation are objecting to the stealth patching.





Files changed with no notice to users



In recent days, Windows Update (WU) started altering files on users' systems without displaying any dialog box to request permission. The only files that have been reportedly altered to date are nine small executables on XP and nine on Vista that are used by WU itself. Microsoft is patching these files silently, even if auto-updates have been disabled on a particular PC.



It's surprising that these files can be changed without the user's knowledge. The Automatic Updates dialog box in the Control Panel can be set to prevent updates from being installed automatically. However, with Microsoft's latest stealth move, updates to the WU executables seem to be installed regardless of the settings — without notifying users.



When users launch Windows Update, Microsoft's online service can check the version of its executables on the PC and update them if necessary. What's unusual is that people are reporting changes in these files although WU wasn't authorized to install anything.



This isn't the first time Microsoft has pushed updates out to users who prefer to test and install their updates manually. Not long ago, another Windows component, svchost.exe, was causing problems with Windows Update, as last reported on June 21 in the Windows Secrets Newsletter. In that case, however, the Windows Update site notified users that updated software had to be installed before the patching process could proceed. This time, such a notice never appears.



For users who elect not to have updates installed automatically, the issue of consent is crucial. Microsoft has apparently decided, however, that it doesn't need permission to patch Windows Updates files, even if you've set your preferences to require it.



Microsoft provides no tech information — yet



To make matters even stranger, a search on Microsoft's Web site reveals no information at all on the stealth updates. Let's say you wished to voluntarily download and install the new WU executable files when you were, for example, reinstalling a system. You'd be hard-pressed to find the updated files in order to download them. At this writing, you either get a stealth install or nothing.



A few Web forums have already started to discuss the updated files, which bear the version number 7.0.6000.381. The only explanation found at Microsoft's site comes from a user identified as Dean-Dean on a Microsoft Communities forum. In reply to a question, he states:



"Windows Update Software 7.0.6000.381 is an update to Windows Update itself. It is an update for both Windows XP and Windows Vista. Unless the update is installed, Windows Update won't work, at least in terms of searching for further updates. Normal use of Windows Update, in other words, is blocked until this update is installed."



Windows Secrets contributing editor Susan Bradley contacted Microsoft Partner Support about the update and received this short reply:





"7.0.6000.381 is a consumer only release that addresses some specific issues found after .374 was released. It will not be available via WSUS [Windows Server Update Services]. A standalone installer and the redist will be available soon, I will keep an eye on it and notify you when it is available."



Unfortunately, this reply does not explain why the stealth patching began with so little information provided to customers. Nor does it provide any details on the "specific issues" that the update supposedly addresses.



System logs confirm stealth installs



In his forum post, Dean-Dean names several files that are changed on XP and Vista. The patching process updates several Windows\System32 executables (with the extensions .exe, .dll, and .cpl) to version 7.0.6000.381, according to the post.



In Vista, the following files are updated:



1. wuapi.dll

2. wuapp.exe

3. wuauclt.exe

4. wuaueng.dll

5. wucltux.dll

6. wudriver.dll

7. wups.dll

8. wups2.dll

9. wuwebv.dll



In XP, the following files are updated:



1. cdm.dll

2. wuapi.dll

3. wuauclt.exe

4. wuaucpl.cpl

5. wuaueng.dll

6. wucltui.dll

7. wups.dll

8. wups2.dll

9. wuweb.dll



These files are by no means viruses, and Microsoft appears to have no malicious intent in patching them. However, writing files to a user's PC without notice (when auto-updating has been turned off) is behavior that's usually associated with hacker Web sites. The question being raised in discussion forums is, "Why is Microsoft operating in this way?"



How to check which version your PC has



If a system has been patched in the past few months, the nine executables in Windows\System32 will either show an earlier version number, 7.0.6000.374, or the stealth patch: 7.0.6000.381. (The version numbers can be seen by right-clicking a file and choosing Properties. In XP, click the Version tab and then select File Version. In Vista, click the Details tab.)



In addition, PCs that received the update will have new executables in subfolders named 7.0.6000.381 under the following folders:



c:\Windows\System32\SoftwareDistribution\Setup\ServiceStartup\wups.dll

c:\Windows\System32\SoftwareDistribution\Setup\ServiceStartup\wups2.dll



Users can also verify whether patching occurred by checking Windows' Event Log:



Step 1. In XP, click Start, Run.



Step 2. Type eventvwr.msc and press Enter.



Step 3. In the tree pane on the left, select System.



Step 4. The right pane displays events and several details about them. Event types such as "Installation" are labeled in the Category column. "Windows Update Agent" is the event typically listed in the Source column for system patches.



On systems that were checked recently by Windows Secrets readers, the Event Log shows two installation events on Aug. 24. The files were stealth-updated in the early morning hours. (The time stamp will vary, of course, on machines that received the patch on other dates.)



To investigate further, you can open the Event Log's properties for each event. Normally, when a Windows update event occurs, the properties dialog box shows an associated KB number, enabling you to find more information at Microsoft's Web site. Mysteriously, no KB number is given for the WU updates that began in August. The description merely reads, "Installation Successful: Windows successfully installed the following update: Automatic Updates."



No need to roll back the updated files



Again, it's important to note that there's nothing harmful about the updated files themselves. There are no reports of software conflicts and no reason to remove the files (which WU apparently needs in order to access the latest patches). The only concern is the mechanism Microsoft is using to perform its patching, and how this mechanism might be used by the software giant in the future.



I'd like to thank reader Angus Scott-Fleming for his help in researching this topic. He recommends that advanced Windows users monitor changes to their systems' Registry settings via a free program by Olivier Lombart called Tiny Watcher. Scott-Fleming will receive a gift certificate for a book, CD, or DVD of his choice for sending in a comment we printed.



I'll report further on this story when I'm able to find more information on the policies and techniques behind Windows Update's silent patches. Send me your tips on this subject via the Windows Secrets contact page.





Reader, please rate the above article:



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Scott Dunn is associate editor of the Windows Secrets Newsletter. He is also a contributing editor of PC World Magazine, where he has written a monthly column since 1992, and co-author of 101 Windows Tips & Tricks (Peachpit) with Jesse Berst and Charles Bermant.





AND PERHAPS THE GREAT MIND WHO THOUGHT THIS WORTHY OF A THUMBS DOWN CAN DO BETTER ! ! ! ! !


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